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I thought it was a very well-written article with some extremely salient points.
The issue of pornography and of viewing women (or men) as 'objects' is a difficult on indeed. I've gone different ways of thinking on it over the course of my adulthood, from radical feminist cries of 'anything that objectifies women is wrong' to Paglia's version of feminism saying 'anything a woman chooses is ok, and that it is a position of power'.
Nowadays I am not sure. I mostly shrug and think 'to each their own' but my hypocracy lies in the fact that I would never want my own daughter slinging beers at Hooters or being involved in porn.
Thanks for the article...I thought it was presented well and think it was an excellent point he made about being viewed as prudes.


I agree with the author on many points. I'm so uncomfortable with the over-sexualization of many things in our culture, including Hooters. I'm especially opposed to the objectification of women. The real question is what can we do about it?


A good article that raises a lot of salient points.

But I have another point of view. I was a Henieken Girl in college. I wore a tight green dress that made me look like a bottle of beer. I stood around a washtub of beer in bars and sold cute college boys beer. I also made ten dollars an hour plus tips back in 1987 without any naughty bits showing. This paid for my books for a semester. I had fun. I sure didn't feel like I was demeaning myself or trading on my looks. Would I have gotten the job if I wasn't in good shape and looked cute in the dress? No, of course not. But neither would I have gotten another job selling make-up at an upscale department store at the Clinque counter, which also rewarded me well financially.

I'm not trying to equate what I did to stripping or porn because it wasn't but a lot of people would put it in the same category.

I have no guilt about being a Heneiken girl at all. No shame. It's not something I brag about because anyone that knows me know would find it hilarious (I hate beer and I can't remember the last time I had on a dress.) And I really did have fun doing it. I was in college, I got to hang out at bars, flirt with cute boys and get paid for it.

I didn't consider myself a bad girl because of this. I still don't. I'm sure a lot of people would. I'm sure the author of this article would be apalled. But if I said, well, do YOU want to pay for my books while I go to a sort of Ivy League school and work two other jobs, he would have anted up?

I'm sure he would have had his checkbook at the ready, right?


Take out the christianese and I agree with this guy.

One of the biggest problems in our society is that people have become nothing more than commodities to be bought and sold. The hooters example is just one. People are seen only as consumers or workers or owners. Not as human beings who have a right to a decent life regardless of their economic value. Who have a right to their dignity regardless of their position in life, or their parents' assets or connections.

That is what is so sorely missing in our society. I see this not as an issue of religion, but of human dignity.

But I find it so absolutely ironic that the republican party, which claims to have a monopoly on Christianity in the political realm, also represents to a huge extent all of the forces that are pushing ou society more and more in the direction of stripping human dignity from people, enforcing a vision of each person as nothing but an individual whose worth depends entirely on economic factors. They are cutting any and all programs that ensure everyone is treated with dignity, they are cutting all safeguards against corporations focusing only on the bottom line, not only in this country, but globally... Okay, sorry for the rant.


I agree with Chip. We are all just worker bees and no one really cares about people as individuals anymore. It saddens and frightens me that we are spending a gazillion dollars on a war yet there are children in this country who don't have enough to eat on any given day of the week. There are parents who can't afford health insurance for their children, let alone decent health care, clothing for school, a good breakfast.

Well paying jobs here are drying up and not being replaced. My husband went from making well over 100k a year to being unemployed for well over two years now. These jobs are not being replaced and hey, if my daugher goes to work at Hooters to earn college money, that's what she's got to do. (She'll be 2 in June, so her waitress skills and sexiness are still in question at this point.)

You want to be a conservative, well create some social programs that help people who need to make money. Welfare to work is all fine and good, now create some jobs that will support a family, instead of making sure it's impossible to do Welfare to Work. In Michigan, Welfare to Work will pay for daycare while you are working, but not while you are going to any sort of school or training class to learn a skill. This makes total sense, doesn't it? Make sure a normal middle class family (oh, like MINE) who falls on hard times because the company the main wage earner has worked ar for7 at years moves their base to India, then tell that family they have nothing to offer them because they own a house and cars. Then watch this family file bankrupty and have a federal bankruptcy job shake his head and say, "I'm so sorry. I've seen this happen so much lately."

That's why girls become Hooter's waitresses.

Sorry Rob, nothing against you. This guy who wrote this article. Hello, does he have his checkbook out? What is he doing to change this terrible economic situation? Answer: voting For Dubya.


Interesting article. Discounting the "Christian content" is a little difficult however, so lets just say that my reaction was a little strong and leave it at that...


I apologize for being so slow in responding to the comments above. Been a busy few days, and unfortunately I haven't had time to do all the things I really need to do let alone the things I want to do. I'm not complaining; that's just the way it is sometimes!

Anyway, I loved the feedback above, and appreciated very much the diversity and honesty of opinion expressed.

The article, and your responses, raise a host of questions for me. It seems like the start of a good conversation, but I wonder how that conversation would actually proceed? Do people comment on comments and can something of a forum develop? Or should I summarize and pick up these thoughts in a new post?

Thanks again for your thoughtful responses.

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