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You've mentioned this before. I think one part missing from the discussion is that the mega churches are more than just the thousands of seats and one dynamic speaker. They often have a staff of ministers that engage with the congregation. They have small groups. Does everyone attend a small group, or engage a pastor? No. But is this any different than a small church? What portion of St. Matt's comes to WAtCh, or volunteers? My guess is, percentage wise, the small and large churches are the same.

I don't think the small church pastor will ever go away, but yeah, there will probably be fewer. That doesn't mean the work ha gone away, it's just being split into some people that do the public speaking, and others that focus on the relationships and community.

I know that Andy Stanely says he doesn't do individual counciling or pastoring anymore. He says he's no good at it, but I wonder if it isn't so that he doesn't detract from the staff. How many people would be turned away from seeking the help of a pastor at Northpoint if they found his neighbor gets to meet with Andy, while he has an appointment with Norman. Andy knows he's a celebrity, sonmaybe he steps back so he doesn't get in the way of God's work.


I agree to a great deal with Munsun. I attend a non-denominational, Bible-based, thriving church of about 1800 people. We have a staff of pastors that have their roles to play. We have a family pastor, a small groups pastor, a youth pastor, an administrative pastor. Our lead pastor is a tremendous teacher and student of the Word. That is his gift. Our family pastor will be at your front door in a heartbeat. But, don't ask him to do a Sunday sermon. We also have a thriving small group ministry with hundreds of people involved on a weekly basis. Each of those group leaders is a pastor of sorts to the smaller flocks.

There are a number of mega-churches out there with a diluted message that lacks any real ties to biblical Christianity (you mentioned one, above) just as there are many Anglican, Lutheran, Methodist, Baptist churches of all sizes that have re-written the Bible to meet their desires (where does the Bible provide for female pastors, for example.)

As 2 Tim 4:3 says "For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear."

Big church means specialized roles. Small church means many hats. Neither is wrong, just different. It sounds like you really enjoy wearing many hats and being the full-service pastor. It sounds like you have found a good fit for who you are and what you do.

Because of the role you played in my life a long time ago I feel certain you will hear "well done good and faithful servant" one day. You are where you should be. Unfortunately, there will be many pastors that have much larger numbers that will hear "I never knew you..."


Agreed, Mason. This was probably more my private stuff rather than an issue for public discourse. I suppose that what I was most responding to was how good it felt to have my sense of things affirmed by someone widely respected in the field in which I work. But I also very much appreciate the merit of your points.

Which brings me to Scott's comments, which I also appreciate, and give thanks for on a very personal level. It brings me such vast joy, Scott, to see you and many of our EYCers so involved in such great churches, several of which are megachurches. I am nothing but grateful for the way these churches have continued to help you grow in your faith and stay faithful to Jesus over the years.

Rob Merola+

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